Posted by: Stonecipher
Dec. 16, 2008
The problem with neocons is that there is no such thing as uncertainty in their world, and that's not healthy. Everything must be an absolute to them - America is good, everyone who was sent to Guantanamo is bad, the end justifies the means, etc...
The neocon world is a black and white one, and when shades of gray enter into the equation your average neocon is quick to label it either black or white and then argue until they're blue in the face against any opposition, any logic or even any changes in the circumstances. When a neocon says it's black, it's black...forever...even when it's white.
So when I recently instigated an exchange with a neocon blogger in regards to Barack Obama's relationship with Rod Blagojevich, I wasn't surprised at all by his response.
The topic: Whether or not President-Elect Barack Obama can be considered a close ally of embattled Illinois Governor, Rod Blagojevich. As a lifelong resident of Illinois and long-time political observer of state politics here, I can confidently say it is clear that Obama and Gov. Blagojevich are not allies, let alone close allies.
After I commented on Joe Gelman's blog, Neocon Express, and after I argued my position here at TSR, Mr. Gelman responded to me by saying that the Obama and Blagojevich political alliance is "clear, extensive and irrefutable." In other words, it sounds like Mr. Gelman is saying that the evidence of this close alliance is clear beyond a reasonable doubt.
With that in mind, let's take a look at the evidence to support the claims made at Neocon Express. Mr. Gelman provided four links and one short video in order to make his point.
Here's how he presented the links:
Of course, I am not the only one who is familiar with the relationship. Here are a few astute observers. Feel free to google "Blagojevich Obama Allies" for thousands of results:
Illinois Governor and Obama Ally Arrested
How Chicago shaped Obama
7 Questions For Obama About Blagojevich
Blagojevich, the Stupidest Governor, Puts Obama in a Bad Light.
Looks good from here, but what happens when we drill into these links? Will they provide "clear, extensive and irrefutable" evidence?
Let's start with the second link on the above list, "How Chicago Shaped Obama". This was a piece that Ryan Lizza wrote for The New Yorkerback in July of this year. The article provided an in-depth look at Illinois and Chicago politics and Obama's ascendance through both. Rod Blagojevich's name was not mentioned anywhere in the first 12,000 words of the piece - hardly a focus of Lizza's.
When Blagojevich isfinally mentioned it is in regards to a comment made by Rahm Emanuel, Obama's pick to be his White House Chief-of-Staff. Emanuel told Lizza that he and Obama were two of then-Congressman Blagojevich's top campaign strategists. Lizza follows the Emanuel comments up with this though:
David Wilhelm, who now works for Obama, said that Emanuel had overstated Obama's role. "There was an advisory council that was inclusive of Rahm and Barack but not limited to them." Wilhelm said, and he disputed the notion that Obama was "an architect or one of the principal strategists."
Yes, Wilhelm now works for Obama, but so does Emanuel. Clearly one of the two of them does not accurately recall the events of six years ago, so it comes down to the question 'who do you believe, Rahm Emanuel or David Wilhelm?'
Either of them could be wrong, but there is no reason to believe one over the other. This is not exactly "clear, extensive and irrefutable" evidence.
So how about another link? What about the first one on the list with the title "Illinois Governor and Obama Ally Arrested"? Well, that doesn't exactly work either since it consists of nothing more than a quote ripped from the only relevant bit of Lizza's lengthy New Yorker piece that was just mentioned above. Basically links one and two are providing the exact same flimsy shred of evidence.
OK, well, how about links three and four? Maybe one of them will provide something "clear, extensive and irrefutable?"
Let's jump down to the forth link "Blagojevich, the Stupidest Governor, Puts Obama in a Bad Light". This one sounds like it's got some potential. It was written late last week by Michael Barone of U.S. News and World Report.
After reading the article several times, the best evidence of a "clear, extensive and irrefutable" alliance between Obama and Blago was the following:
All of this puts Blagojevich's constituent and sometime political supporter—and president-elect—Barack Obama in a bad light, though we have no evidence on record that indicates that Obama did anything wrong. Obama said on Tuesday that he had not spoken with Blagojevich about his replacement in the U.S. Senate and then refused to comment further when asked whether anyone had communicated with Blagojevich on his behalf. Of course in ordinary circumstances, when the governor is not a stupid greedhead, there would be nothing wrong with a senator elected president to speak with the governor entitled to name his replacement in the Senate. And there's some evidence Obama did. An Illinois TV station reported on November 5, the day after the election, that Obama was planning to meet later that day with Blagojevich. The logistics wouldn't be difficult; Blagojevich like most recent Illinois governors does most of his business from the James R. Thompson Center (named for one of the few Illinois governors over the past 50 years not indicted and jailed) in Chicago, a few blocks from Obama's campaign headquarters. And in an interview on Fox News November 23, Obama's chief political strategist David Axelrod said matter-of-factly that Obama had talked with the governor about the Senate replacement. Now Axelrod has now said that he was "mistaken" about that.
Hmm...clear? Not really. Extensive? Not even close. Irrefutable? The phrase "some evidence" doesn't exactly suggest it is irrefutable.
So now we're down to Mr. Gelman's last link, and I gotta be honest, I'm not feeling too good about the chances of finding "clear, extensive and irrefutable" evidence of an alliance between Barack Obama and Rod Blagojevich. As you saw above, the link's title is "7 Questions for Obama About Blagojevich".
As it turns out the first five questions have absolutely zero to do with a possible alliance between the two. Questions six and seven, however, do have some relevance.
Question Six: "When did you and Blagojevich last speak and about what?"
That's two questions really, but either way, if Obama answers with something like this, then Mr. Gelman might turn out to be right:
"I spoke to the Governor Monday night before he was arrested. I was concerned about the brown paper bag that was sitting in my freezer with the words "Roddy-boy's $$$" scrawled across it in black Sharpie. I wanted to know if I could just hand it to Patty at our Secret Kenyan Citizens meeting the following afternoon (I know, I was surprised as anyone that she's Kenyan, she hides it way better than I do), or if I should just leave it for Roddy-boy at "our spot". I also wanted to know if the bag was big enough to get my good friend Valerie Jarrett into my old Senate Seat."
If Obama say that, I'll post an apology to Mr. Gelman, then immediately hop in my car and drive to wherever he lives and buy him the drink of his choice (unless he's a big fan of single malt scotch, in which case I'll buy him a drink that he'd hopefully find acceptable).
On to Question Seven: "Do You Regret Supporting Blagojevich?"
Here's another response Obama could give that would provide some "clear, extensive and irrefutable" evidence of a close alliance with Gov. Blagojevich:
"Of course not, I would never dream of skipping out on support of my partner in crime and BFF of seven years. Come on, Roddy-Boy is my friend, I would never dream of skipping out on supporting him. In fact, I still support him now and I hope all you guys are ready for this, but I'm gonna go ahead and endorse him in his run for Governor in 2010 and for his 2016 run for the presidency to succeed me."
That response would also earn Mr. Gelman that moderately priced drink.
I know this is getting to be a long post, but stay strong, we're almost done.
Since the links were incapable of providing us that "clear, extensive and irrefutable" evidence of a close Obama/Blagojevich alliance, it must be in the video that Mr. Gelman posted where all of that clarity, extensiveness and irrefutibility can be found.
Well...not exactly.
The interview shown, with local Chicago broadcaster Jeff Berkowitz, was conducted in 2002 - the year Rod Blagojevich was first elected as Illinois' governor.
Of greater significance is the fact that the interview was done during the General Election campaign, not during the primaries. Obama did not endorse Blago until the General Election.
And really what else was Obama going to do? He was an up-and-coming State Senator who was thinking about running for the U.S. Senate in 2004. Why wouldn't he endorse a man who was a member of the same political party in the same state who had no record of corruption and who had just won a tough primary battle against not just one, but two, very solid primary opponents?
To say that Obama's endorsement of Rod Blagojevich in the 2002 General Election is proof that they are close political allies is like saying that John McCain's endorsement of George W. Bush in the 2000 General Election proves that they were close political allies. It's absurd.
I will give Mr. Gelman one small bit of credit for the video he posted though. It is irrefutable. Misleading, yes, but irrefutable, no. Obama was clearly in favor of a Blagojevich victory that year.
So we'll call it 0-for-5 for Joe the Neocon in his attempts to prove a close alliance between Barack Obama and Rod Blagojevich.
The lesson from all this is that when a neocon says something like "clear, extensive and irrefutable" it actually means something more along the lines of murky, tangential and with no proof whatsoever.
Big Brother would be proud Mr. Gelman.


A couple more links relating to this post:
The Neocon Express post that kicked off this whole debate (with a few updates)
Jeff Berkowitz on the Obama interview mentioned above
Governor Fonzarelli Jumps the Shark